Sequestration of ACP nanoclusters by serum proteins provides a stark contrast to the sequestration by caseins that is observed in milk. α2-Heremans-Schmid glycoprotein (fetuin-A or AHSG; accession no. P02765) has been identified as the major sequestrant in serum [
73].
1 (In the blood of healthy adults, fetuin-A has a concentration of 0.5-1.0 g/L [
15]. Its concentration is higher in neonates [
74,
75].) Fetuin-A is a type 3 cystatin protein family member of about 56 kDa that is secreted by the liver [
51]. The protein circulates as a disulfide-bonded protein having three cystatin D domains. Although both in vitro and in vivo studies in mutant mice suggested that fetuin-A sequestered ACP nanoclusters in serum, the absence of phosphorylated sequences in this protein required mutational analysis of the protein to identify the structural features that enabled ACP sequestration [
73]. Examination of the structure-function relationship of recombinant forms of fetuin-A with similar proteins from the cystatin superfamily (e.g., fetuin-B, histidine-rich glycoprotein, and kininogen) suggested that sequestration involves acidic amino acid residues in an EF-hand-like sequence on an extended beta-sheet of the cystatin-like fetuin-A domain D1, located near the amino terminus. Upon association with calcium ion in CaP nanoclusters, these residues fold into a defined array that effectively binds calcium without disrupting the nanocluster. Ligand-binding also involves addition of a second fetuin-A molecule, yielding a dimer that is a combination of a heavy- and a light-chain fetuin. Binding results in a structural reorganization that envelops the bound nanoclusters in beta-sheets while opening other parts of the protein to interactions with other moieties in the biofluid. A globular complex having a diameter of about 10 nm results. Heiss
et al. suggest that the enveloping protein serves as a diffusion barrier that limits further growth of the ACP nanocluster and its maturation into crystalline CaPs while preventing CaP precipitation [
73]. (Interestingly, a substantial fraction of the fetuin-A present in human plasma is serine phosphorylated. Phosphorylation changes the activity of the protein from that of a sequestering agent that controls the transport and distribution of calcium and phosphate to a protein that negatively regulates the insulin receptor tyrosine kinase [
76].)
Among other features of fetuin-sequestered CaP that are different from the chemical and thermodynamic descriptions of casein-sequestered CaP is the role that the magnesium ion plays in the complex. Although in vitro synthetic studies indicate that magnesium and pyrophosphate stabilize the CaP clusters embedded in calciprotein monomers, the inability to detect the CPMs reliably leaves the physiological importance of these stabilizing agents in fetuin-A sequestration an open question.
5.5. Sequestration provides bioavailable calcium and phosphate supporting numerous physiological functions.
The primary function of sequestration is one of transporting calcium phosphate in a soluble form that can readily be used physiologically without introducing or exacerbating toxicity. That being said, the nanoclusters perform numerous ancillary physiological functions.
For example, Holt and his colleagues have described the unique nutritional value of casein-embedded nanoclusters in milks [
41]. According to Holt, the ability of casein to bind AMCP nanoclusters has three-fold biological function: (i) the control of calcium phosphate precipitation in milk through AMCP sequestration, (ii) the suppression of toxic amyloid fibril formation that casein would produce in the absence of AMCP, and (iii) the provision of bioavailable calcium phosphate for nutrition of the neonate. The first two functions are related to the mother and her ability to lactate: pathological calcifications or amyloidosis of the mammary gland would threaten the wellbeing of both the mother and the neonate. The third function provides the neonate with a rich source of calcium and phosphate during periods of extensive skeletal and tooth development. Finally, the observation that sequestered calcium phosphates may carry materials of microbial origin has renewed study into the role of breast milk in the building of an effective immune system in newborns. [
5,
83,
84].
In serum, amorphous calcium phosphate nanoparticles templated on fetuin-A provide means for transportation of calcium and phosphate in soluble form to kidney, bone, skin, and other tissues throughout the body [
7,
9,
77]. CPM nanoparticles having diameters of about 10 nm readily transfer the ions to appropriate sites in kidney or bone, for example, or are cleared within minutes by endothelial cells in the kidney as well as sinusoidal vessels of the liver and spleen and macrophages in these organs [
80]. Under normal circumstances, the system works efficiently and effectively to limit the toxicity of insoluble, crystalline material and to prevent sustained disturbances to mineral metabolism that may be injurious (e.g., ectopic calcification and downstream cardiovascular sequelae; organ morbidity; aneurysms; idiopathic preterm birth) [
96,
97,
98,
99].
In a series of experiments using human tissue, animal models and advanced imaging techniques, Powell and his colleagues have provided a detailed picture of roles that calcium phosphate nanoparticles play in immune surveillance [
20]. The lumen of the small intestine of humans contains as many as 10
14 porous nanoparticles composed of amorphous magnesium calcium phosphate [
100,
101]. The sequestering agents have not been identified. Gelli has speculated that mucin coats the nanoclusters [
102]. If so, this glycoprotein provides a viscous environment in which the particles remain stable but exposed to the environment, i.e., a “protein corona”. Once formed, the particles bind other moieties in the intestinal environment, presenting them as sequestered entities for uptake via M cells in Peyer’s patches. Within the cellular membrane, the particles are exposed to antigen-presenting cells (mainly dendritic cells and macrophages), which assess the “self” or “non-self” characteristics of the materials borne by the nanoparticles. The minerals dissolve and are available for transport to the serum.
In addition to their roles as transporters and distributors of calcium, magnesium, and phosphate, CPM may interact with osteocytes in bone to induce release of fibroblast growth factor 23 (FGF23) [
103,
104,
105]. Proof-of-principle studies by Akiyama
et al. showed that induction of FGF23 mRNA in bone and subsequent elevations of FGF23 in serum were preceded by a rapid but transient increase in calciprotein particles [
103]. The observation that administration of the bisphosphonate alendronate to animals fed a high-phosphate diet also augments total FGF23 concentration infers that small calciprotein particles containing some crystalline phosphate may also serve as strong inducers of FGF23 secretion
in vivo [
106].
Finally, Martel
et al. have noted that similar amorphous calcium phosphate nanoparticles enable disposal of excess minerals that are remnants of calcium homeostasis [
107]. Thus, small crystals are often detected in the urine of healthy individuals. Higher numbers of crystals having larger sizes are found in the urine of individuals who are kidney stone formers.
5.6. Changes in Sequestered Entities in Health and Disease
As they circulate, calciprotein particles undergo changes in composition in addition to maturation of CaP. A recent study by Smith
et al. provides intriguing information about calciprotein particle transformations in health and disease [
108]. These investigators carried out a detailed physiochemical and biochemical comparisons of endogenous CPP isolated from uremic sera with CPP synthesized
in vitro from both uremic sera and sera from healthy subjects. Their data showed that calciprotein monomers consist of amorphous calcium hydrogen phosphates and absence of crystallinity. However, as the particles grow in size, crystalline hydroxyapatite features were added to the TEM micrographs. During ripening the particles lose surface charge (reduced zeta potential) and exhibit an increased tendency to aggregate. In a subsequent step, primary CPP may aggregate into colloidal nanoparticles having a more prolate structure and long-axis diameters of 100-250 nm (secondary CPP or CPP-2). The calcium phosphates in CPP-2 transitioned into ordered, more thermodynamically stable crystalline phases having compositions similar to hydroxyapatite. The crystalline mineral may be organized as densely packed, needle-shaped lamellae or as plates. Both crystalline forms are cytotoxic. CPP-2 exhibit pro-inflammatory properties and induce the expression and secretion of TNF-α when exposed to macrophages in vitro. CPP ripening was accompanied by significant enrichment in organic moieties. Quantitative proteomic analysis revealed binding of various proteins from the extracellular space, including transporters, peptidases, mineral-binding proteins (e.g., osteopontin, bone sialoprotein, collagen 1 alpha chains, and osteonectin), as well as enrichment for the smaller soluble/exchangeable apolipoproteins (ApoA1, ApoA4, ApoE, and ApoC3) and components of the complement system. Small amounts of lipids were detected, albeit at much lower concentrations than those in serum. Lipidomic profiling showed a predominance of cholesterol as well as low percentages of long-chain fatty acids. Nucleic acids were not detected in calciprotein monomers, but after ripening and hydroxyapatite formation, both DNA fragments (<200 bp) and small RNA (<200 nt) were detected. Likewise, the larger CPP-II nanoparticles carried microbe-derived components (e.g., hydroxylated fatty acids, peptidoglycan, and bacterial DNA).
In a separate study, Aghagolzadeh
et al. generated calciprotein particles
in vitro and studied their interaction with vascular smooth muscle cells (VSMC) in culture [
109]. Their data supported a ripening process in which calciprotein particles transformed into larger particles (CPP-2) exhibiting increased calcium and phosphate content. As the transition proceeded, the number of particles did not change significantly but CCP-1 particles lost their spherical shape and became elongated, spindle-shaped particles with distinctly less solubility in the medium. At the same time, sequestered calcium phosphates became more crystalline, a change which has been shown to drive calcification. Exposure of viable VSMC to CPP-2 particles but not CPP-1 particles led to a pronounced and consistent accumulation of intracellular calcium within one day. Calcified cells increased oxidative stress as evidenced by release of soluble TNF-α, increased extracellular H
2O
2, and up-regulation of bone morphogenetic protein-2 and Nuclear Factor Kappa-B. Accumulation of CPP-2 particles led to early apoptosis.
5.7. Sequestration protects cells from toxicities associated with CaP crystal deposition.
Crystalline forms of calcium phosphate become two-edged swords: the crystals exhibit reduced solubility and ability to dissolve in acidic environments, as well as the increased toxicity exhibited by crystalline polymorphs of calcium phosphate [
49,
50,
97]. While these changes are beneficial properties of mature bone and tooth enamel, each is a severe drawback when the body attempts to use the crystals for bone restoration, dissolve the crystals in the acidic lumen of renal proximal tubules for calcium and phosphate uptake, or to process crystalline calcium phosphate that enters lysosomes.
Crystal deposition is known to trigger inflammation and injury via three pathways: (1) via the NOD-, LRR- and pyrin-domain-containing protein (NLRP3)-inflammasome and caspase-1-mediated secretion of IL-1β and IL-18, as well as to gasdermin D-mediated pyroptotic cell death [
110]; (2) by inducing necroptosis, a receptor-interacting serine-threonine kinase-3 (RIPK3)-dependent and mixed lineage kinase domain-like (MLKL)-dependent form of regulated cell necrosis [
111]; and (3) by inducing mitochondrial dysfunction and mitochondrial permeability transition (MPT)-related cell necrosis [
112]. Several recent studies have compared the effects of deposition of CaP or calciprotein particles on cells in culture or in tissues after
in vivo exposures.
Dautova
et al. found that CaP crystals were taken up within minutes of exposure by micropinocytosis, membrane invagination, or plasma membrane damage of vascular smooth muscle cells [
113]. Exposure activated cell repair and survival mechanisms, which delayed cell death until 30 minutes after exposure. In contrast, fetuin-A-sequestered CaP particles were taken up more slowly and caused less damage to cellular membranes. Lysosomal dissolution of the particles was also slowed.
Kunishige
et al. carried out similar experiments in renal proximal tubular epithelial HK-2 cells to compare the cytotoxicity induced by CaP and CPPs [
96]. After cellular uptake, CaP crystals dissolved in the acidic lysosomal environment, dissolution that caused osmotic swelling and lysosomal membrane permeabilization and generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) as a result of mitochondrial dysfunction. In contrast, CPPs, which were taken up by caveola-mediated endocytosis or macropinocytosis, increased the osmotic pressure inside lysosomes as they dissolved but failed to induce lysosomal membrane permeabilization. An increase in intra-lysosomal pH by ~ 1 unit was observed, which slowed hydrolase activity and inhibited the fusion of autophagosomes with CPP-containing lysosomes, resulting in autophagic flux blockage. Adverse changes in autophagy are known to enhance matrix vesicle release, which in turn, increases the area of tissue subject to damage [
114]. Another significant difference reported by Kunishige may be the effect that CPPs had on cholesterol trafficking. As Smith
et al. reported earlier, CPPs adsorb cholesterol [
108]. Therefore, as the CPPs moved through the plasma membrane, membrane cholesterol content decreased by adsorption to CPPs. Lysosomal processing allowed transfer of the CPP-bound cholesterol to the lysosomal membrane. These changes in cholesterol content may have had differential impact on the signaling induced by lipid raft formation at the two sites, by reducing the repair of defects in the plasma membrane and rendering the cells more vulnerable to damage [
115].
Koeppert
et al. have studied the pro-inflammatory potency of CPM, CPP-1 and CPP-2 particles [
80]. Synthetic fluorescent CPM were injected in mice, and particle clearance was monitored by live two-photon microscopy. Organ sections were analyzed by fluorescence microscopy to assess CPM distribution. Cellular clearance and cytotoxicity were analyzed by flow cytometry and live/dead staining, respectively, in cultured macrophages, liver sinusoidal endothelial cells (LSEC), and human proximal tubule epithelial HK-2 cells. Inflammasome activation was scored in macrophages. Fetuin A monomer and CPM charge were analyzed by ion exchange chromatography. Experimental data showed that CPP-1 predominantly induced NLRP3 inflammasome assembly and subsequent cytokine secretion, while CPP-2 predominantly stimulated immediate secretion of preformed TNF-α. In a subsequent study designed to assess the pro-inflammatory potency of CPM, this group used immortalized ASC-GFP macrophages to study the responses to calcium content-matched (2.5 mM) CPM, CPP-1, and CPP-2. CPP-1 triggered inflammasome assembly within 2 h, while CPP-2 triggered delayed inflammasome assembly after 8 h, as reported earlier [
81]. In contrast, CPM containing identical 2.5 mM calcium and 2 mM phosphate did not trigger assembly of the inflammasome at any time during the 24-hr observation period, suggesting high stability of the fetuin-A/calcium-phosphate complex and concomitant low inflammatory potential of CPM compared to Ca, CaP, or CPP-1.
5.8. Fetuin-A Sequestered ACP and Phosphate Toxicity
Phosphate toxicity has long been associated with vascular calcification (VC), ectopic calcification which characterizes the arteriosclerosis of aging, as well as chronic kidney disease, diabetes mellitus, dyslipidemia, and hypertension [
116]. Evidence that the sequestered matrix protects from inappropriate calcium phosphate (CaP) deposition and related toxicity
in vivo is largely indirect and drawn from studies of vascular calcification in cell cultures or animal models. In many studies, deficiencies in one or more of the sequestrants or inhibitors of crystallization have been implicated in increased risk and incidence of vascular calcification. Shafer et al. were among the first to report that fetuin-A deficiency (and thus a lack of stable CPM and CPP) results in ectopic calcification [
18]. In a subsequent report, this group noted that fetuin-A deficiency in mice led to myocardial stiffness, cardiac remodeling, and diastolic dysfunction [
117]. Villa-Bellosta and O’Neill summarized knowledge about inhibitors of crystallization such as endogenous pyrophosphate and mechanisms by which this anion acts endogenously to inhibit calcification [
118]. The review also highlighted metabolic pathways leading to deficiencies that played a key role in vascular calcification. The benefits of supplementation with inhibitors have also been reported. By way of example, Villa-Bellosta and Sorribas reported the prevention of vascular calcification in rat aorta by addition of extracellular polyphosphates and nucleotides [
119].
Herrmann and coworkers elegantly demonstrated the consequences of loss of fetuin-A in a recent study comparing calcification in D2 wildtype mice
vis a vis calcification in mutant mouse strain D2,Ahsg-/-, a strain that combines fetuin-A deficiency with the calcification-prone DBA/2 genetic background [
98]. The latter exhibit a particularly severe compound phenotype of microvascular and soft tissue calcification. Herrmann
et al. analyzed mice longitudinally by echocardiography, X-ray-computed tomography, analytical electron microscopy, histology, mass spectrometry proteomics, and genome-wide microarray-based expression analyses. Fetuin-A-deficient mice had calcified lesions in myocardium, lung, brown adipose tissue, reproductive organs, spleen, pancreas, kidney and the skin, associated with reduced growth, reduced cardiac output and premature death. Importantly, early-stage calcified lesions presented in the lumen of the microvasculature, suggesting precipitation of mineral containing complexes from the fluid phase of blood. Genome-wide expression analysis of calcified lesions and surrounding (not calcified) tissue, together with morphological observations, indicated that the calcification was not associated with osteochondrogenic cell differentiation, but rather with thrombosis and fibrosis. Collectively, these results demonstrate that soft tissue calcification can start by intravascular mineral deposition causing microvasculopathy, which impacts on growth, organ function and survival.
Concurrently, the numbers of clinical investigators who recognize the benefits of adequate serum concentrations of fetuin-A have grown. Bäck
et al. have recently published a consensus statement that summarizes current knowledge about a variety of endogenous calcification inhibitors, including fetuin-A, and their benefit in preventing vascular calcification [
19]. In addition, Icer and Yildiren have summarized nine clinical studies in which the relationship between serum fetuin-A and coronary artery calcification (CAC) have been assessed [
120]. Evaluations included between 42 and 2,505 participants and yielded results that suggested an inverse relationship between serum fetuin-A levels and CAC and/or its severity. Data were more compelling when participants had underlying diabetes or nephropathy. Data from two of the nine studies failed to establish a relationship between the protein and CAC. These authors also discuss human studies evaluating a relationship between serum fetuin-A and kidney disease.
If the description of fetuin-A sequestered ACP corresponds to the entities which circulate in normal sera, what role, if any, do endogenous stabilizing agents play in preventing maturation of the sequestered mineral to crystalline phosphates having lower solubilities and greater toxicity, including increased risks of ectopic deposition?
In 2019, Babler
et al. suggested that serum fetuin-A, pyrophosphate, and magnesium constituted the three main calcification inhibitors in mice with a calcification-prone phenotype (i.e., Ahsg-/- mice having a DBA/2 genetic lineage) [
17]. These investigators found that intravenous administration of bovine fetuin-A or pyrophosphate, as well as supplementation of chow by doubling or quadrupling its magnesium content, significantly reduced the extent of calcification in brown adipose tissues, kidneys, lungs and heart. Their report renewed interest in manipulating the properties of fetuin-A/ACP complexes to enhance their physiological benefits. We will focus attention on one mineral, the magnesium ion, having anticalcification properties which were highlighted by Babler
et al. but not included in the EuroSoftCalcNet consensus statement [
19].
Studies of potential stabilization of CaP aggregates by the magnesium ion (Mg
2+ or in the discussion that follows, Mg) began concurrently with pioneering studies directed to more detailed analyses of bone structure, formation and maintenance and their synthetic parallels. Investigators recognized quickly that extending the induction period before the rapid transition to less soluble and more crystalline CaPs could be a beneficial property of CaPs in biofluids. For example, Boskey and Posner studied the kinetics of the conversion of ACP to HA at pH 8 and temperatures of 26.0°, 37.5°, and 48.0°C in the presence of different amounts of Mg [
121]. Mg/Ca molar ratios in the range from 0.004 to 0.04 were deemed of particular interest, as these corresponded to the molar ratios found in bones and teeth. Kinetic analyses at each temperature provided sigmoid curves in which the induction period was extended incrementally as the molar ratio of Mg/Ca increased up to a molar ratio of 0.04 but the rapid transition to HA which followed displayed superimposable rates. The Mg content incorporated into the amorphous solid was directly proportional to the Mg content of the solution but the average particle size decreased as the Mg content increased. Interestingly, if preformed Mg-containing ACP was added to its parent solution, the induction period was extended but was shorter than the induction period for transition to HA in the parent solution. Since the calcium concentration fell and then increased over the induction period extended by magnesium, the authors suggested that Mg incorporated into the ACP was altering its “solubility.” Studies of solutions containing Mg/Ca ratios of 0.2 failed to show this change, although the induction period was incrementally extended and the average ACP particle size was the smallest of the ACPs that were synthesized. The final HA from all experiments contained very little Mg, and crystallite size was independent of Mg concentration in this range.
Holt
et al. prepared amorphous calcium magnesium phosphates by precipitation from moderately supersaturated aqueous solutions at pH 7 [
122]. Chemical composition of the precipitates was determined using ion chromatography, and X-ray powder diffraction, scanning electron microscopy, X-ray absorption spectroscopy, and Fourier transform infrared spectroscopy were used to characterize the solids. Two different synthetic approaches were used. Preparation of sample T1 involved mixing solutions of KH
2PO
4, Ca(NO
3)
2, and Mg(NO
3)
2 together at a pH of about 4.5 to yield final concentrations of 10 mM phosphate, 5 mM calcium, and 5 mM magnesium. Ionic strength during was maintained by adding 0.15 M KNO
3 as a background electrolyte. Precipitation of CaP was initiated by raising the pH by addition of 0.5 M KOH such that during the formation of the initial gelatinous precipitate, the pH remained constant at 7.0. In contrast to sample T1, samples H1, H2, and H3 were prepared by mixing equal volumes of solution A (100 mM NaH
2PO
4 and 100 mM Na
2HPO
4) and solution B (4 mM CaCl
2, 135 mM NaCl, and a concentration of 6 mM, 10 mM, or 14 mM MgCl
2, respectively). The pH was raised to 7.0 by addition of 0.4 M NaOH, and the initial gelatinous precipitate was allowed to form while maintaining the pH constant at 7.0.
Holt’s data provide interesting contrasts to the results obtained by other investigators. None of the samples gave X-ray powder diffraction lines corresponding to crystalline forms of calcium or magnesium phosphates. Sample T1 was found to be amorphous calcium magnesium phosphate(s) overlaid with KNO3 crystals, and careful analysis of samples H1-H3 indicated co-precipitation of NaCl with amorphous calcium magnesium phosphates. In sample T1, about half of the phosphate groups were protonated. Analyses of samples H1-H3 indicated that the degree of protonation increased linearly with the magnesium content of samples and with the ratio of the Mg to calcium ion concentrations in the supernatant. Maturation in the presence of solutions containing Mg ion involved transition from amorphous calcium magnesium phosphates to brushite (CaHPO4 ∙ 2 H2O) rather than OCP.
Kibalczyc
et al. provided additional insights into the effects of the Mg ion on CaP precipitation [
123]. The experiments were carried out by rapidly mixing equal volumes of 0.02 M CaCl
2 and 0.012 M or 0.015 M K
2HPO
4 having a pH of 7.4 at 30 ± 0.1°C. For experiments where Mg was present, MgCl
2 was dissolved in the CaCl
2 solution or was added rapidly in the form of 0.100 M MgCl
2 solution at various times after mixing. Molar ratios of Mg/Ca ranged from 0 to 0.24 and included a molar ratio of 0.04 (as was studied by Boskey and Posner). By increasing the molar ratio of Mg/Ca from 0 to 0.24, the investigators observed incremental increases in the induction period for conversion of ACP1 to ACP2 from about 4 minutes to about 15 minutes. The pH profiles consistently showed that formation of spherical particles of the first amorphous precipitate (ACP1) was accompanied by a decrease in solution pH from 7.4 to ~ 6.4. The transition from the first amorphous precipitate to the second (ACP2) consistently exhibited a pattern of a small decrease and subsequent increase in pH, followed by a decrease in pH to ~ 5.5 as OCD formed. Both transitions were consistently endothermic.
Kibalczyc’s experiments in which Mg was added after mixing the two component solutions were especially interesting. Delays as short as 1 minute decreased the induction period for ACP2 formation but growth of the succeeding OCP phase took place more slowly. Delays of as little as 3 minutes before addition of Mg reduced the induction period for ACP2 formation to a value almost identical to induction of this phase in the absence of Mg. These data suggest that exposure to Mg ion after conversion to less soluble CaPs will have little effect on their properties.
What, then, are the properties that Mg might confer on fetuin-A sequestered calcium phosphates? Recently Gelli
et al. explored the effect of Mg substitution on ACP nanoparticles in systematic experiments in which AMCP particles were synthesized by precipitation of the precursors from aqueous solutions [
124]. The particles were analyzed in terms of morphology, crystallinity, and thermal stability. Five different Mg/Ca molar ratios (0.33, 0.5, 1, 1.4, and 2.5), each at three different Mg concentrations (10, 50, and 100 mM), were used. Experiments were carried out at 37 °C and solution pH was adjusted to 7.4 immediately after mixing. They found that at Mg/Ca molar ratios that exceeded 0.5, the synthesized particles were almost completely amorphous. Partially crystalline particles were observed by XRD and FTIR only at lower molar ratios of Mg/Ca. Although the Mg content of the particles increased with increases in the Mg concentration, Mg content in the particles was always lower than that in solution. The difference was most marked in solutions with lower Mg content. Gelli suggested that this reflects the significant differences in solubility of calcium phosphates, a difference which favors precipitation of CaPs.
Since Mg exhibits pleiotropic physiological properties, a significant body of data is available that indicates potential benefit in reducing phosphate toxicity. However, whether the benefit is associated with calciprotein nanoaggregates remains a question.