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“When there's dependence, you know, children under 18 involved. It needs to be a family-centred approach to the dementia care. It isn't person centred approach. They are a unit, and all the care and support needs to be for the whole family unit because they all need it”(P15)
“If their systems and processes don’t ask around are there any children who might be affected…. Then I think that’s missing a trick and I think that’s one thing, if we really want to improve identification of this group, then that’s one of the real opportunities”(P6)
“Particularly within healthcare settings, if it’s not part of the process, in terms of asking a question then it very much relies on that individual having that knowledge. Because that’s a prompt, that’s what that instigates, because they will be brilliant people who get it, who will do it anyway. But then it’ll be for those who are sort of not so familiar, to ask the question and think about it”(P6)
“A lot of work on identification focuses on those who provide physical care for someone rather than the emotional support, so say if it’s a grandparent with dementia, they [YDCs] may well be providing emotional support to the parent, who’s dealing with that side of it as well. So, identification within adult settings is really, really key”(P6)
“There was also a misunderstanding as to who would refer the young person. So, education presumed social work would be referring and social work presumed education staff would be referring. And it turned out no one was referring the young person, so they were just kind of left dangling, which is really sad”(P1)
“Visiting dementia support groups and speaking to the carers, and seeing if they've got children, seeing if they've even got grandchildren who are there and who are helping to support (the person with dementia)”(P1)
“I didn’t see my sons as carers, because they've always looked after Nana and Grandpa. When they went out, they'd always made sure they were OK. So, as dad's dementia progressed the way they sort of cared for him just changed. Until I actually sat down and thought, well actually yes, they are. It was just something that they adapted into live. That's how they lived.”(P8)
“They weren't carers because they didn't chop up his food or look after him. But yeah, I was at work. And who was babysitting who? […] It's just that these kids get a higher degree of responsibility at an earlier age. I wouldn’t have called them young carers, but yeah, they were. They're babysitting their dad at, you know, at age 7, 8, 9 so I can go to work.”(P15)
“We use that term quite loosely and broadly, you’re the carer. And there’s often a pushback on that, from loads of people I’ve worked with. No actually, I’m a wife to my husband, or we’re friends, or I’m a child, you know, this is my mum, I’m not my mum’s carer, I’m my mum’s daughter.”(P4)
“People don't understand it. Someone with young onset might look perfectly normal on the outside so kids can become very secretive. They can become very isolated because they don't want friends to come home and see what's going on. All that emotion and turmoil and trying to work out what the hell is going on.”(P5)
“I find that the more open parents are with their children at an earlier stage, the more they are able to come to terms with what's going on.”(P5)
“It wasn't a big elephant in the room. It wasn't a big dark secret. It wasn't. It was talked about. So therefore, when it got worse, I could say, look, I'm really sorry, girls, but dad's dementia is getting worse. And this is why we now can't do this, or this is why he finds this difficult. At each stage, you could explain it.”(P15)
“I had been living with my husband’s dementia for about 10 years and somebody said to me, oh, have you not got any? Well, there were no Admiral Nurses in [city]. None at all. I think these days most people who need a Macmillan nurse can get access to one. But you know it shouldn't be like that.”(P12)
“I love the families I work with. I'm not going to lie; I do struggle with the emotional overload sometimes. You just feel so frustrated, you know there are no magic wands. It is that ability as Admiral Nurses for families to feel held. And not feel completely on their own. They know they can rely on you being there for them at a time when they just need to be heard. And not having to tell their story again and again, not having to explain themselves.”(P5)
“We are not asking them (schools) to do everything, it’s about them being the ones to identify potential children in need of support. And then linking them into the relevant organisation, whether it be through the local authority, whether it be a carer’s organisation or a dementia specific organisation, each local area will need their own pathway for it.”(P6)
“If there is someone within the school who has had their own personal experience of dementia that opens doors. My girls were at primary school, and having the head teacher, who had an experience of having a mother with dementia, meant she was much more sympathetic to me when I burst into her office and went blah, help!”(P15)
“At primary school, they were very well supported, and actually, the school invited me and her to go and do a talk for the teachers, about dementia, and what it’s like to care for somebody in your family with dementia, and I thought that was absolutely fantastic that they wanted to know how to support her. At secondary school, where nobody even asked, it’s almost like they really didn’t want to know, because it might be too difficult.”(P2)
“I surveyed all of our education staff, primary and secondary school. And I had almost 800 responses, so we only have about 1,200 staff, so it was a really great response rate. And almost 90% of those staff have never had any training whatsoever on young carers.”(P1)
“We don’t have any set standard referral pathways for children and families living with young onset dementia. I think they’ve recently been described as the kind of forgotten children”(P4)
“I’ve never found that right place for them. They were seen as young carers, but what they were offered were things like trips to bowling or to a trampoline park, and although of course they love all of that sort of thing, I can take them there, and the young carers that they were with absolutely need that respite. My girls didn’t particularly need that, they needed someone to talk to.”(P2)
“What should young carers’ support look like? I think there are lots of young carers for whom the trips, the breaks are a hugely important part. But what else does the Young Carer Service do, how does it achieve some of the long-lasting change for that young person? What are the biggest issues for them? And I think that’s where lots of Young Carer Services have moved to, that person centred way. Is it trips and activities or is it actually that information about the condition? Is it someone to talk to? Is it about the emergency planning in place? I think it’s having that variety of support.”(P6)
“It’s also whether actually will young people access. If you are a young carer’s charity, will they be following you on social media? Probably not. If you’re a young people’s charity, possibly might be, if they’re interested in mental health, but otherwise how do you get that message to the young people? I think a lot of the focus is around getting the messaging to parents, and professionals, because are they going to see it? And then if they do see it, what can they do, how can they access it?.(P6)
“Once the family has that diagnosis, there is that period of adjustment, it’s life changing, and the family needs to work through together, and you don’t want to be kind of running in and saying, you know, this service is available. But it’s about saying, this is the diagnosis, this is what it means. And I’m here for you and I’m going to come back.”(P4)
“At the point of diagnosis, find a way to get in touch with them, and have something useful for them. If they’re not ready for it then, make sure that it’s followed up. So that when they are ready, you’re ready to go. There needs to be that iterative process involved. Just so that people know that when they do need help, that it’s there.”(P7)
“We didn’t need a lot of support; we went along quite nicely most of the time. But there were those times, okay things have changed, or this is a different dynamic now, or GCSEs and this… And it would have been so helpful if I’d just been able to pick up my phone to the one person and say could you help out with this, I’m not quite sure what I’m doing as a mum, or as a carer, right now.”(P2)
“Or just immaturity, I think everybody thinks that they can do it themselves, even in advanced years, you struggle on and do it, and eventually you think actually, you know what, I can’t do this on my own.”(P7)
“If you are a 3-year-old when your parent gets dementia, you'll never remember that parent without dementia. And it's trying to get people to understand. Why this cohort of children and young people’s needs are different. It is really crucial in terms of developing services to support them.”(P5)
“Talk, communication. This should be the what the memory services should be teaching. That the way your kids are going to get through it is by peer support and knowing they're not alone. And by talking about it and talking to their parents. That's what is going to be a crucial factor.”(P15)
“Our children felt unusual, isolated and alone. We organised art therapy workshops, but it could have been anything. I don’t think they specifically spoke about the fact that they all had a parent with dementia. It was that camaraderie without it being said out loud. I might be the only one in my school but there are other kids who are going through what I’m going through. That socialisation was important to them.”(P15)
“In that group there’s a universal understanding, and I don’t then have to do the explaining part. And it’s the explaining part that’s the friction in society for myself. But in this group, we are all a part of this, we’re doing it together, not alone, and we don’t have to really say as much or as little.”(P17)
“Just bringing young people together, of different age groups, but not necessarily talking about dementia, the therapy was actually just being with other people and just doing normal things. They don’t want to be singled out, they don’t bring their friends home, or want to have to explain themselves. So being with other people who are in a similar situation, is really, really powerful.”(P5)
“When families come together, they do gravitate towards another family who experiences the same things just because they have lived experience and they can share those things and they form really good relationships outside of the group. And they talk and it's providing them an opportunity to expand their networks and share, and that important.”(P10)
ID | Gender | Interview completed |
Attended workshop | Category | Brief description |
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P1 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | Young Carers Strategy Lead for young carers project |
P2 | Female | Yes | Yes | Lived experience |
Parent to two YDCs that helped care for their grandmother |
P3 | Female | Yes | Yes | Dementia Researcher |
Area: stigma and perceptions of dementia amongst young people |
P4 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | Consultant Admiral Nurse |
P5 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | Admiral Nurse |
P6 | Male | Yes | Yes | Professional | Policy and Practice Manager for a carers (and young carers) charity |
P7 | Female | Yes | Yes | Lived experience |
Parent to two YDCs that helped care for their father diagnosed with YOD |
P8 | Female | Yes | No | Lived experience |
Parent to two YDCs that helped care for their grandfather |
P9 | Female | Yes | No | Professional | Council - Adult Services (wellbeing and activity programmes) |
P10 | Female | Yes | No | Professional | Young Carer Service manager |
P11 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | YOD nurse specialist |
P12 | Female | Yes | Yes | Dementia Researcher / Lived experience | Area: impact of parental illness. Husband diagnosed with YOD when children were teenagers |
P13 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | Project Manager for a dementia support charity |
P14 | Female | Yes | Yes | Professional | Council - Age Friendly / Intergenerational coordinator |
P15 | Female | Yes | Yes | Lived experience |
Parent to two YDCs that helped care for their father diagnosed with YOD |
P16 | Male | Yes | No | Dementia Researcher |
Area: perceptions of dementia amongst young people, young people’s outcomes |
P17 | Male | Yes | Yes | Lived experience |
Mother diagnosed with YOD at 49 (when he was 16) |
P18 | Female | No | Yes | Professional | Support Officer (young carers charity) |
P19 | Female | No | Yes | Professional | Council - Young carers officer |
Themes | Sub-themes |
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Theme 1: A ‘whole family approach’ |
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Theme 2: ‘Not a carer’ - Self/family identification |
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Theme 3: Postcode Lottery - high variability of support services |
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Theme 4: Tailored support that is ‘fit for purpose’ | |
Theme 5: The ‘power’ of peer support |
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